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Old 09-06-2008, 04:53 PM
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no water in the heights /water tower drained of water / no alarms no pump operators on duty/ unbeleivable that no one knew this for 6 hours / what are we paying these workers for that are supposed to be on duty / the head of the water dept should be fired /the alarms were not working and they knew they werent somebody has to accept responsibility
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Old 09-07-2008, 11:46 AM
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no water in the heights /water tower drained of water / no alarms no pump operators on duty/ unbeleivable that no one knew this for 6 hours / what are we paying these workers for that are supposed to be on duty / the head of the water dept should be fired /the alarms were not working and they knew they werent somebody has to accept responsibility
Water service now appears to be restored around most of the Heights. Here is the NBC-40 report -- with a clickable video link -- about the problem.

http://www.nbc40.net/view_story.php?id=6783

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LIGHTNING STRIKE KNOCKS OUT VENTNOR WATER
Christina Stolfo ( ) - 9/6/08 01:11 pm
Last Updated - 9/6/08 11:41 pm

VENTNOR--A lightning strike is to blame for knocked out water service to residents in Ventnor and Ventnor Heights.

Just after midnight, a water tower was struck by lightning causing a leak in the tank.

Crews had to shut down the tank as they made the necessary repairs.

The tower has been fixed, but crews must now work to refill the tower with water, and are working with Atlantic City's Water Department to do so.

"Meanwhile we're getting emergency connections for all these homeowners along Surrey Avenue so they have water. Meanwhile the tank is filling back up with water and we expect services to return to normal within the next several hour," says Andrew McCrosson, City Administrator.

Some residents are still getting a very low pressure of water or no water at all.

But crews are hopeful that the system should be back to normal before the night is over.
A somewhat related item of reporting addresses the request for cellular transmitting equipment at the Ventnor water tower.

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/1...ry/250666.html

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Bad reception calls for stealth cellular towers
By LEE PROCIDA Staff Writer, 609-457-8707
Published: Sunday, September 07, 2008


On Tuesday, the Barnegat Township zoning board will hold possibly the last of a series of hearings regarding a Cingular Wireless proposal to install a cell tower near Lower Shore Road, a project that, like in many other towns, has met passionate opposition from residents.

"There is no hiding a 150-foot cell tower in a flat part of Barnegat," said Toms River attorney Edward Liston, who represents a nearby resident challenging the project. "This is a thumb in the eye of a beautiful section of Barnegat Township."

Barnegat is one of several southern New Jersey areas that could benefit from better cell coverage, as a short drive to the western township limits sends most carriers' bars dropping.

But, as is evident with the current Cingular proposal, cell towers are a quintessential NIMBY issue: People want better service and fewer dropped calls, but as far as placement of towers goes, most are quick to say "not in my backyard."

So service providers have had to get creative. In the past few years, elevators, church steeples and even grain silos have been built nationwide with antennas inside. Carriers have utilized any tall objects they can, such as the water towers in Brigantine and Ventnor, or camouflaged the equipment to look like anything they can, such as the AT&T flagpole in Lakewood Township.

And companies still need plenty more, as more people want five bars, indoors, deep in the pinelands, during peak hours, so they can download music from the Internet on their iPhone.
Or, for that matter, while partying in Ri-Ra in the Tropicana Casino and Resort. That's where George Higgins, the tri-state area Verizon Wireless manager of network performance, found himself with no service, which is why he was part of a project to put Verizon antennas throughout The Quarter.

"They would look like smoke detectors to most people," he said - if they were gazing up at the clouds painted on the ceiling.

Verizon also installed antennas through Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa and its new Water Club tower, hiding them completely out of view while providing service throughout the buildings.

Hiding cell sites has even become a small industry, with businesses specializing in stealth antennas.

Invisible Towers, for instance, disguises cell towers as trees, covering them in a bark-pattern wrap and installing branches. On its web site it bills itself as, "the company you want in your backyard."

SteepleCom has even more of a niche market, providing wireless leasing assistance to churches that have been approached by wireless companies. While that may seem rare, churches throughout the country have proved to be prime locations since they are usually in downtown areas and tend to be tall structures.

Those types of options are perfect for cell carriers, who are well aware of the public's aversion to cell towers.

"We never try to build towers," said Ellen Webner, spokeswoman for AT&T. "But we're always trying to improve coverage."

Webner said a typical cell site covers a 1-mile radius, and providing service is like building a highway: there shouldn't be any gaps when traveling from one place to another, and in heavily populated areas you want as much capacity as possible.

Using that analogy, there are still parts of southern New Jersey that are basically dirt roads. But cell carriers are always expanding in the region. Higgins said his priorities right now are parts of Ocean and Cape May counties, as well as Absecon and Galloway Township in Atlantic County.

"We know where our weaker areas are," he said.


E-mail Lee Procida:
LProcida@pressofac.com
At the August workshop where a cell phone provider made a request to use the Ventnor water tower and presented preliminary details, Commissioner Weintrob inquired if the company might be willing to pay the cost of painting the tower and remarked, when later asked, that a rough estimate for the next round of painting was over $200,000. Since a lightning strike might destabilize a cellular transmitter, and since there might be bid-letting documents to cellular providers to see which one gets access to the tower for mounting equipment, it might be advisable to investigate if the bidders should be required to provide electrical grounding or a lightning protection system of some kind to the Ventnor water tower as part of their bid responses.
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Old 09-08-2008, 07:12 AM
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http://www.nbc40.net/view_story.php?id=6789

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VENTNOR HEIGHTS WATER MAIN BREAK
Jennifer Husko ( jhusko@nbc40.net ) - 9/7/08 05:08 pm
Last Updated - 9/7/08 11:16 pm

VENTNOR HEIGHTS-- An underground water main break in Ventnor Heights has officials working round the clock. Some residents and businesses have been without water for two days now and officials are not stopping until they fix this problem.

Public works and water and sewer employees were on the scene today at the corner of Surrey and Belfour Avenues in Ventnor Heights working on a major water main break.

"The problem started sometime Friday night, early Saturday morning, one of the main pipes that comes out of the water tower broke," said Commissioner, Stephen Weintrob.

Officials first believed the problem originated in the water tower since it was struck by lightning midnight Saturday morning, but after the tower filled up with water during yesterday's tropical storm, they found it was further in the street.

Water had to be pumped to the nearby ball field so workers could get to the break. Weintrob said, "Was going to happen eventually so happening now is probably better than happening later."

Most residents and businesses had little water pressure or no water at all. "It's the second day, well, I have bottled water."

"Right now the pressures great, but the city worker came around and said they're pumping it somehow over to us."

"No coffee this morning, had to go to the other Wawa over on the other side of Ventnor."

Since residents were without water for the second day in a row, they called a limited state of emergency, which enlisted the help of the county to bring in extra water and equipment in case they were faced with their biggest concern. "The biggest concern is damage, fire of any kind...if there's anything that's life threatening, we can handle anything but fire right now," said Weintrob.

Just last month, Ventnor was faced with an underwater sewage leak in the West Canal just off of Dorset Avenue and it took 11 days to fix.

City officials have already begun to discuss solutions if any underground breaks happen again.

"We can't control the infrastructure of the city...it's so old, it's never really been updated and we're certainly going to start taking care of that this week, we've got some contingency plans we've formulated this weekend for future if we lose water again."
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:52 AM
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The series of news stories plus the post from beach6 shows that a series of things went wrong. Lightning strike damage to water tower was not the only problem, as a water main also broke and extended the time that homes were without water.
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Old 09-09-2008, 04:45 AM
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Ventnor catches a break with timing of water-main trouble
By MARTIN DeANGELIS Staff Writer, 609-272-7237
Published: Tuesday, September 09, 2008


VENTNOR - A water-main break early Saturday disrupted life for an estimated 2,500 residents of the town's Ventnor Heights section, and more people with vacation places in the neighborhood. Plus it hit the town on the same day that the storm called Hanna did - but things could have been much, much worse, city officials said Monday.

Drew McCrosson, the city administrator, noted that the pipe break and the tropical storm weren't related - the timing was "an unfortunate coincidence," he said.

But because Hanna's visit to the area was preceded by such a blast of publicity, many people who would normally be visiting Ventnor Heights on a September Saturday didn't make the trip this weekend, McCrosson said. Plus the pipe didn't break a week earlier - when Ventnor and other beach towns were packed with visitors celebrating one of summer's biggest holidays, Labor Day.

"We kind of lucked out with it, to be honest with you," he said. "The demand was less because of the forecast. ... We didn't have as many people in town, so we didn't have as many people drawing on the system."

But the water-pipe break coming on the same day as the storm did create some bad timing. Because of all the talk of Hanna's visit, people who live around Surrey Avenue - where storm flooding is a common sight - apparently didn't think anything was too unusual when they woke up Saturday and found water on their street.

That, combined with an electrical problem that kept water department workers from reading pressure gauges remotely, let 500,000 gallons of water drain out of the Ventnor Heights water tower before the town could start dealing with the broken pipe, by McCrosson's telling.

Still, there was even some luck in the actual location of the break. It happened in a manhole, a spot designed to let workers fix pipes, and not under a section of street where that rush of a half-million gallons of water could have undermined and collapsed the street itself, the administrator said. In that case, fixing the broken pipe would have been just a fraction of the town's to-do list.

"It could have been a problem 10 times worse than we had," said McCrosson, who added that city workers put in long days Saturday that ended around midnight - and then were back on the job at 7 a.m. Sunday.

But Hanna definitely added to the degree of difficulty in dealing with the situation. With the tide rising and the storm coming Saturday afternoon, workers couldn't go into the manhole safely for part of the day. Plus the spot of the break turned out to be elusive; repair crews thought they'd actually found it in a different place on the same street, according to the administrator.

Water was restored to the area through a connecting pipe shared with Atlantic City's Municipal Utilities Authority, and the pressure was going back up in the neighborhood Saturday night. But it dropped again by Sunday morning until a city Fire Department pumper truck was hooked up to bypass the broken pipe and connect to a working pipe around the corner, a full block and a half away.

City officials hope to be able to free up the firetruck and go back to the normal pipe system as soon as water tests prove the repaired pipe is safe, but City Commissioner Stephen Weintrob added that the pumped water actually delivers higher pressure to the neighborhood than the standard pipes, which are powered mainly by gravity.

Weintrob said officials plan to study video footage shot in the city's pipe system to try to find weak spots that need to be fixed. This is the second major pipe break in Ventnor Heights this summer; the first allowed sewage to flow into the bay before it was finally fixed.

E-mail Martin DeAngelis:
MDeangelis@pressofac.com
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http://www.nbc40.net/view_story.php?id=6799

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WATER WOES MAY BE OVER FOR VENTNOR RESIDENTS
Corin Wilson ( news@nbc40.net ) - 9/8/08 05:47 pm
Last Updated - 9/8/08 06:50 pm

VENTNOR CITY--Officials say they have fixed the water main break that left the Ventnor Heights section of the city high and dry.

The fire department was still pumping water Monday, as officials wait for test results on the repaired water system.

It takes 24 hours for the testing to complete and verify the water has no dangerous bacteria.

The water sample was sent out around 9 a.m. Monday morning and water could be back on around 9 a.m. Tuesday morning.
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Old 09-09-2008, 06:09 AM
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In some countries these actions would result in summary executions on the spot.
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Old 09-09-2008, 06:15 AM
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no water in the heights /water tower drained of water / no alarms no pump operators on duty/ unbeleivable that no one knew this for 6 hours / what are we paying these workers for that are supposed to be on duty / the head of the water dept should be fired /the alarms were not working and they knew they werent somebody has to accept responsibility
WHAT WORKERS? MOST OF THE TIME THEY JUST RIDE AROUND BURNING GAS GOING TO WAWA. WE COULD FIRE HALF OF THEM AND THEY WOULD NOT BE MISSED. PUBLIC WORKS IS A FORM OF WELFARE. WE PAY THEM FOR NOTHING
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:56 AM
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We live very close to the water tower and if lightning struck we certainly would have heard that noise. The sewers have been filled to top for days and the drains have been making noise for months. The city workers should have known this if they were doing their jobs. We took offense to the press article saying if the residents would have alerted us earlier it would not have been so bad. We should then reply if the city would have check the water system when the sewer main broke last month, this would have never happened. "Change" is easy to say doing it is a different story.

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Old 09-09-2008, 10:57 AM
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ventnor city shorely a wreck.
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Old 09-09-2008, 04:29 PM
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a complete fabrication by weintraub / fact 1 they knew those alarms were not working they were waiting for the city worker to return from vacation to fix them i guess hes the only one who knows how / FACT 2 THEY ARE SUPPOSSED TO BE MONITERED 24 HOURS A DAY WE ARE PAYING THESE GUYS (SLEEPING MAYBE)TO CHECK ON THEM / FACT3 LIGHTNING THERE WAS NO LIGHTNING THAT NIGHT I LIVE CLOSE BY I WOULD HAVE HEARD IT / START TELLING THE TRUTH
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