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ACPress reports on storm preparations along coast. Click on link for photos and for special videos provided by the Press' storm coverage reporting.
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Last edited by VENTNOR eVOICE ADMIN : 09-22-2008 at 10:39 AM. |
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It wasn't even a hurricane. Did I see Made in China on the underside of the pier?
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Every pier shown on storm footage up and down the coast has cross braces.
I can see them clearly. Is our pier a newfangled design that doesn't require any? Did the old pier have them? Should ours have them? Can they be put on now? Was there a little cost cutting for election time? And what about how the pilings were stuck in the sand without a pile driver, just high pressure water? Is it safe to go out there? Will it stand up after a real hurricane? Does anyone know the answers? Can't see my way clearly. Help! ![]() |
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http://www.ventnorevoice.com/bulleti...read.php?t=598 The "rumor" posted by the poster named "HarvardAve" and an additional PrivateMessage sent by that still-anonymous poster prompted enough concern that WLV reviewed its large binder with OPRA-obtained public records relating to the pier. Among these documents were 14 pages of blueprints developed by the engineer for the construction of the new pier, and at least some of the Specifications that had been put out to bid. WLV had no way of knowing if those documents constitute a comprehensive "set" of all that was developed for the pier construction project, or if there might be more documents which simply weren't turned over because of how the OPRA demands had been worded. (Two OPRA demands had been filed by private individuals in summer and fall 2007. They had then made the documents available to WLV for copying and "reporting" on the issues triggered by the pier project. WLV sought out some other documents about the pier through OPRA in its later direct filing at city hall.) WLV's review of page 6 of the 14 pages of blueprints produced findings of at least "some" of the specifications intended to guide the contractor about installing the pilings. There might be more specifications in other documents which WLV does not have. If what WLV possesses is all that there is, then there appeared to be "missing instructions" which might have been appropriate for this project. There were no directives telling the contractor to "jet" the pilings to a specified initial minimum embedment of the "piling tip" below the sand; nor were there any directives about "driving" the pilings using a pile driving hammer to a certain rated capacity expressed as a number of tons that each piling can support. WLV sent an e-mail to all three Ventnor Commissioners reporting on what appeared to be a "gap" in the information available, and suggesting that the Commission should look into the matter.
As to the remaining item which might have been another "possibility" -- that the engineer intended the pier to rely upon calculations relative to capacity of the pilings as "friction piles" which would not need to be driven -- WLV inquired about that theory with another engineer in recent weeks. His opinion was that pile driving is the "best" way to establish a rated capacity for pilings and that a public pier, built with the intent that it would someday support structures (a clubhouse and piermaster's building), should have had pile driving occur. |
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As part of its research effort in finding information to send to the newly elected Commission, WLV looked for other piers which might have adopted the angled piling design used by both the old and new Ventnor pier. Photos of piers in Florida, California and New England were located in which that design had been adopted. Nothing is known about the age of those structures or whether they have held up in storms -- only that there are photos showing the same kind of design concept employed elsewhere around the U.S. Are there things that can be done "after-the-fact" ? Yes. If it turns out that there was no pile driving, and there is no Pile Driving Log filed at the Inspector's office. The actual capacity of the piles might be susceptible of determination by load-testing. It might require lifting the planks and beams to get access to the top of the pilings; the fact that the pilings are angled might make it more difficult than if they were straight up-and-down vertical pilings to place the weights used for load-testing. Only a competent engineer, with some forensic engineering experience, would be in a position to advise about that. A minor "pointer" about jetted installation of pilings is this: The high-pressured water used for jetting away the soil needs to have the nozzle placed accurately alongside the piling and it is "preferred practice" to taper off that pressure as the targeted initial depth for the tip of the piling is reached. Why? Because if the nozzle is too far forward of the piling tip or if the water pressure is kept "too high" all the way down, it will blast away the sand that the tip of the piling should come to rest against. There will be some "filling in" of the space created by the jetted water -- through natural forces of sand under pressure at reasonable depths below mudline -- but this observation highlights the fact that a supervisory eye needs to be kept on a contractor's crew. If the pilings had only minimal top-cuttings after they were installed, and if what was actually installed "stayed true" to the lengths specified in the blueprints, it would be easy to determine their embedments. This would be done by measuring the length of the exposed piling and then comparing it to the total length which was specified for each piling from #1 to #70. The difference between total length minus exposed length would be the embedment. It is preferred practice for a supervising / monitoring engineer or an independent party designated by the engineer to verify that the lengths delivered to a worksite are what was specified before they are installed, and that the proper lengths are installed at each piling position enumerated by blueprints. Because the pier is located on the coast, and not in a back bay, it's likely that the presence of wave action means that sand density starts to be "decent-to-good" at fairly shallow depths as one might bore down into the sand/soil to test the soil. (In the quieter waters of a back bay, there is often a finding of substantial levels of "muck" and silt which can't offer piling support and, indeed, can contribute to "downdrag" which is yet another engineering buzzword.) The apparent absence of any preliminary soil testing, which might have been undertaken from a barge, was another item of "potential" oversight noted by WLV in its communication to the Ventnor Commission. When such tests are done, the results showing the progressively denser layers as one goes from top-of-soil-line (a/k/a "mudline") down to about 50 feet of depth (or more) are typically dropped into blueprints, in the form of a chart. These would show SPT counts which are typically arrayed as four numbers appearing in a sequence such as 1-1-1-1 or 8-12-15-18 or the like. The higher the number, the greater the number of "blows" from a 250-pound weight which were needed to drive the soil collection tube down into the soil to collect a sample. What such a chart might look like is seen in this link. It's possible that soil testing undertaken elsewhere, but deemed to be "typical" of the southern New Jersey coastline, was used as a proxy for engineering calculations and design plans in developing the Ventnor Pier blueprints. A further item of information about cross-braces is this: They require bolts to affix them to the pilings. The drilling for bolts invades the interiors of pilings and allows for access by salty moist air and salt water, which can accelerate deterioration of the pilings. The new pier has Greenheart (South or Central American hard wood) pilings which might make this less of a problem than with softer wood pilings such as Southern Yellow Pine (SYP). Typically, SYP gets treated with creosote or CCA which can't penetrate to the very center of the piling and protect the interior from "rotting" due to the effects of salt air/water and so-called "marine borers" (organisms) which eat away at wood. However, moist salty air and salt water are still agents of deterioration for any wood. Therefore, the point at which any cross-bracing is affixed at its lower-most elevation deserves some careful consideration. There tend to be tradeoffs of stability (enhanced by a lower point of affixation) and long-term effects (rotting). If the point where bolts are affixed at the lower end of the braces will be "wetted" and "dried" daily during high/low tides, then they are in the so-called Intertidal Zone, which is where piling deterioration is usually most pronounced over time. The Commissioners might be getting a laymen's "crash course" in geotechnical engineering and marine engineering concepts at this time. In its communication about the anonymous post, and passing along information from document review, WLV made the suggestion that construction of a clubhouse might need to await answers to questions. Adding any further weight of "structure" would seem to be in need of firm knowledge about just how much weight the pier can handle. Structures are supposed to be evaluated using a variety of "loading factors" in both live weight and dead weight conditions. These are spelled out in the IBC (International Building Code) which NJ adopted a few years ago to replace BOCA building code standards. The load of inanimate objects and of "live people" walking around -- all in good weather -- tend to be the lighter loads, when taken in isolation. It's other things, such as snow loads, wind loads, water loads, icing loads, and for any piling-supported structure placed out in water a loading factor that looks at water-born debris-- and their various permutations when taken in combination -- for which engineers are supposed to perform calculations, make judgment calls, and then create blueprints and specifications. The new Commission has shown itself to be willing to put out explanatory statements as it gets to the bottom of different issues and questions. Once it has investigated the rumors about the pier -- by pursuing the documents and oral reports by those having first-hand knowledge -- more is expected to become known. |
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Suppose its safe if nobody goes onto it in a hurricane or storm, right?
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Harvardave is back. What I am looking for are anyone that has photographs of the pier under construction particularly when the loader is on the pier doing demolition. I have seen a photo taken by someone at the Sands on the boardwalk but I am looking for a closer shot so I can get the number off the loader. Can anyone tell me what model loader that was? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Someone who was out at the work site a lot during construction was shown this photo, and reports it was the only loader of any kind he saw at the work site. He doesn't recall seeing it up on the pier, however. ![]() |
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There was a round-up of photos showing comparable piling designs from around the USA, using piles placed at an angle for piers. Informal inquiry with someone experienced in this field produced the comment that, generally speaking, it's a good design. (Assumption: verified embedment for lateral loading. Preference: pile driving to assure a documented axial loading. Caveat: design engineering for up to 5 feet of "scour" -- or sand loss -- during a strong storm is something a cautious engineer might have done.) The photos from "out there" around the USA, however, all seemed to have some kind of cross-bracing scheme. Some representative photos are shown below; they were sent to Commission some weeks ago for educational purposes on this topic. ![]() ![]() Most of the piers examined used braces placed at a diagonal, like the two above. The pier below used horizontal bracing which didn't seem to follow a visually-apparent uniform scheme. ![]() |
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